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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 8, 2007 21:21:16 GMT
"Yeah, I guess I do," I shrug. "But that doesn't mean he's not also the person that everyone else knows. I mean... isn't there something just the slightest bit wrong with saying, 'oh, you killed your brother and you torture innocent people, but that's okay 'cause you're my friend'?"
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 8, 2007 21:24:13 GMT
"Yeah, there's something seriously wrong with that. But what it comes down to is are you willing to overlook it, because you're his friend?"
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 8, 2007 21:30:07 GMT
"I don't know yet," I shrug. "I... I hope not, but..." I laugh slightly. "Do you remember how I always had to avoid him to stay mad? No matter what he did to make me mad, or how much he deserved it, I'd forgive him as soon as he made me laugh again?" I shrug. "What's more important, loyalty or principles?" I ask, not really expecting an answer.
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 8, 2007 21:33:51 GMT
"Yeah, I remember," I nod slightly, not really wanting to experience the whole childhood revisit thing because it usually left me in a very bitter mood, then fall silent again, not bothering to answer. Not like she needed one anyway.
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 8, 2007 21:38:40 GMT
I nod, suddenly wishing I did have an answer, and then notice his mood. "You okay?"
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 9, 2007 17:06:10 GMT
"Yeah, fine," I lie, looking back up at her again.
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 9, 2007 18:48:13 GMT
"Hm," I nod, not sure that I believe that but not really wanting to pry.
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 9, 2007 18:55:22 GMT
"Okay, not particularly fine, but I've already angsted and bitched about my life for today so nevermind," I shrug.
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 9, 2007 19:03:47 GMT
I shrug. "Okay then... I don't mind if you rant more, like I said, but I know how stupid you can feel after a while." I glance down at the desktop, tracing a figure eight.
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 10, 2007 20:28:39 GMT
"Yeah, so I'll just pass on the ranting," I shrug, leaning into a half sitting positon on the edge of a desk, "So..."
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 10, 2007 20:30:55 GMT
I laugh slightly. "So... I don't know... anything remotely good going on in your life?"
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 10, 2007 20:33:17 GMT
"Remotely good...uh...nothing comes to mind, how about yours?" I laugh slightly.
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 10, 2007 20:36:55 GMT
I shrug. "Fairly decent, really," I mutter, not really wanting to talk about it and feeling rather guilty for having an okay life. "You're going to have to be one of those people that we stuff full of chocolate first, won't you?" I ask him, though knowing perfectly well he doesn't know what I'm talking about.
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 10, 2007 21:02:08 GMT
"Uhm...I'm sorry, what?" I say bemusedly.
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 10, 2007 21:06:02 GMT
"Ah... sorry," I shake my head. "That's mine and Morgan's plan, to make everybody happier by stuffing them with chocolate, collecting all their happiness, and spreading it evenly around. We're also going to diminish a bunch of the hate in the world." I shrug and smile weakly. "Just as soon as we figure out how."
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 11, 2007 19:34:48 GMT
"Sounds like a good plan. Good luck to you," I smile slightly.
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 11, 2007 19:41:12 GMT
"Thank you." I smile slightly. "More of a goal than a plan, though, since we've no idea how to accomplish it." I shrug. "Any suggestions?"
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 12, 2007 21:07:28 GMT
"Sorry, I've never really spent my time thinking about that sort of thing...no suggestions..."
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 12, 2007 21:13:41 GMT
"Hm... maybe you should." I shrug. "Karma wise, you know...."
I wince slightly. That was a little mean-spirited.
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 13, 2007 20:27:15 GMT
I snort with humourless laughter, "Okay, you have a point. My karma could seriously do with being boosted."
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 13, 2007 20:49:57 GMT
"Sorry." I wince slightly. "That was probably slightly uncalled for," I shrug. "You ever think about it though? That maybe it's all just karma catching up to you?"
Very tactful, Arden... you don't even know if he's done anything that bad!
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 14, 2007 13:32:49 GMT
"No, it was very much called for," I shrug, "Yeah, I've thought about it and it would appear to make sense. But the point of karma is that it's fair, right? Some sort of justice and sense of fairness in an Godless and unjust universe. And, see, the fucked up things that happen to me...they don't happen to me. They happen to the people I love, which is more painful, but karma would have to be some cold ruthless son of a bitch to deliver justice like that, because it's inflicting pain on the innocent for the purposes of repaying one individual's sins. Which is hypocritical of it, I think anyway."
I stop and look back up at her, "Or maybe I have too much time on my hands to be thinking about this sort of thing and have gotten myself mixed up and that makes no sense whatsoever."
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 14, 2007 14:45:38 GMT
I think it over for a minute, looking off to the side, and then I nod. "No... it makes sense. That is quite fucked up... unless somehow it's going to turn out significantly better for them in the end, but..." I laugh humorlessly. But it's too late for some.
I shrug and laugh slightly again. "Dammit, though... that's my one major belief, and I think you just popped it."
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 14, 2007 15:06:14 GMT
I think for a moment, "No, wait, I think you may have found a hole in my theory there. Significantly better for them in the end...right. Well, assuming God or whatever, has a plan for us all. Fair enough. So, karma thinks, I'm just assuming it's an entity capable of thought for the purposes of making a point, that there's something worse for them planned so to get them killed would serve not only the purpose of saving innocents from pain, but also to punish someone for their sins. Two birds with one stone," I say, not sure if that made perfect sense to me.
"But still, that's some pretty loose justification for killing an innocent person," I add after a moment.
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 14, 2007 15:31:11 GMT
"Just a bit," I nod, biting my lip and trying to think of some way it could all make sense. I shrug. "I don't know... unless maybe they're not so innocent, or if whatever it is is really bad...." I shake my head. "No, never mind... it's all just fucked. I don't... know what you might have done... but whatever it is probably doesn't deserve the stuff that's happened to you." I shrug again and smile vaguely. "Still... I kind of have to believe in at least some form of karma, some kind of justice... I'll go crazy otherwise."
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 14, 2007 15:39:40 GMT
"Yeah, that makes sense. It's all just fucked," I nod, then smile slightly, "Well, whatever keeps you sane."
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 14, 2007 15:46:47 GMT
"Unless it's something bad that would make others go insane," I nod, then frown and shake my head. "And I'm really getting tired of all the conversations that wind up this way... everything is fucked," I mutter, shaking my head again.
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 14, 2007 15:51:35 GMT
"Yeah, in that case, maybe not," I shrug, "Well, that's just the state of life; fucked. Not much can be done about it."
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Post by Arden Patricks on Oct 14, 2007 15:53:52 GMT
I look down at the desktop for a bit before finally shaking my head. "It doesn't have to be this fucked, though... gotta be something...."
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Post by Ian Hunt on Oct 16, 2007 20:02:02 GMT
"There is sometimes. I mean, it's not fucked all the time, is it?" I shrug slightly.
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